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Mike just a comment. I used some of the w/outs for kids that can't do the Olympic lifts yet and I can see the benefits!! I was going to post this on the Cross Fit site, but I saw your part so I thought I'd tell you.. All is good in Texas take care. Tim

great tim!! love to hear that stuff. crossfit is the real deal and is an awesome way to train for everyone!!! keep in touch and let me know how things are going.